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OverCoat



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
You can't get the mp3s to work in Windows Media Player?

Well first off WMP really sucks? If that's not a public computer you should probably consider an alternative: Winamp, Foobar2000, iTunes, XMPlay, etc.

But whatever, these are .mp3s and they SHOULD work in WMP. Does it give you an error or something?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
i'm sure everyone would love some constructive criticism. maybe we should make a topic or forum where all the mixers post their opinions on every song but their own!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yeah I think that would be cool! I've been listening to everything a lot and definately would post a big write-up on each track.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:55 pm    Post subject: Re: What do you think of the project? Reply with quote
k-wix wrote:
The project is going to launch today, very soon Smile when it does, this is so you can let us know what you think! But first a simple rule:

Any spamming/trolling/rude behavior will not be tolerated.


Just a reminder to the newcomers. It's fine if you say you didn't like a song. Just give a reason why instead of "it sucks".

People worked really hard on this project, so if you have any suggestions as how they could make their music better in the future, I'm sure many would appreciate it.


And to people who worked on the project: Don't let trolls bother you. If you show them you're bothered they'll just keep at it... so just think, for every troll, there's so many more people that appreciate this project.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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And to people who worked on the project: Don't let trolls bother you.


I DIDN'T work on the project - and trolls STILL bother me... I think its just because, well, I say I like something, and someone comes along and makes me feel really stupid for liking it. Embarassed

Now...

What didn't I like about the project?

Ballrawg - Nice song, but the "Huzzah" just didn't seem like it was said by Balrog. I always imagined Balrog having a slightly higher, goofier voice. Also, I really don't like short vocals added into songs without lyrics. There's several ReMixes I've heard that had an extra "come on" or "break it" or whatever that sorta ruined the song for me. Oh well, thats my problem.

Doukutsu Dance - Nice song... However, I feel that the 1-minute long slow intro really deminished the "dance" part of the song.
Also, the instrument choices... At 1:02, we hear some nice bass. I mean, REALLY nice. Loved it. Then the treble comes in at 1:08. Nice synth, but when it changes at 1:10, it sounds kinda annoying. Then at 1:54, the synth voice comes. Didn't like that. It just sounded wierd. Like the computer was straining to lift something.

Ball of Ballos - Ok, I understand WHY you put the lyrics in there (although i didn't bother listening to the song you got them from. I got the point without it.), but... Why? I usually don't like lyrics in a video game song (which is why i constantly turn the sound down when playing any of the 3-D Sonic games), but why take them from an existing song. The entire rest of the song was great. Nice job.

Never Die - I didn't understand why this song had cheering in the beginning. There's no lyrics, and the whole beginning of the song is synthetic, so its not like there's supposed to be people performing it or anything. It just annoyed me (but of course, thats just me. I usually don't even like real music that was live and has cheering. It kinda makes it seem like the artists just are like "Woohoo, look at all the people we have who love us!!!")
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OverCoat



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
My main beef with the Ball of Ballos lyrics is that I couldn't understand them, they were mixed too low.

I personally don't mind lyrics! I just wish they were more audible.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
ok here's some thoughts. i will post more as i have time

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k-wix - mimiga vibe

as a song:

-starts out pretty nice.. until the square comes in around :40. it got on my nerves, especially at the end of its loop every loop.. it just hangs there.

-don't like the the electric piano much, but that's more my preference i guess!?

-lead at 4:45 sounds annoyingly like my casio CTK-611's "bass & lead" sound. bleh.

-bass in the song is pretty lackluster. it either sits on one note for the first half, or it does the TEKNO PULSE the second half.. not much movement.

-the drums were good quality in regards to the samples, but were really repetitive Sad they did change it up a little from section to section, but there are no (or very few) fills to speak of within those sections until the end.

as a remix:

-takes awhile to get to the source material. it is pretty straightforward for awhile.

-the nice arps going around in the original are replaced with a weird synth moving around a lot (and looping). it's ok, could have been better i think (the original sounded much more lyrical.. i guess is the word, while this sounds more electronic/mechanical).

-unfortunately, i really don't like the ending. it's ... way too happy. it's almost screaming "this song was kind of sad-sounding, but IT HAD A HAPPY ENDING! I SWEAR!"

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tumult - cave story

as a song:

-i don't like the main lead around 0:08, sounds plinky. however when it changes timbres at 0:12 it sounds great.

-konami-snare-alike bonus points +++++

as a remix:

-it's the same as the original. this is something i won't ever get - how people can complain that "someone changed the song too much" in some cases where it still sounds great, and other people say "this sucks, it's exactly like the original" about this. whatever, can't please critics, bastards, fucktards

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kris davis - island of eden

as a song:

-that warbly "spooky" sound at 0:15 sucks. i just really don't like it.

-guitars! not too shabby quality either.

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crap don't have time, will finish later
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
corran wrote:
You're right Overcoat. Personally, I would really like some well-thought out criticism on my stuff. That's why I hate random "you suck at music" posts. But, people are welcome to their own opinions, regardless of how much sense they actually makes.


Too true Corran. Frankly I don't care if people love or hate my music, so long as they form an educated, informed and respectable opinion about it. When people are too lazy to put even the slightest bit of effort into their criticism, I just mentaly block out what they say. When I produced my first album back in high-school, I had this guy pick up a pair of headphones to listen to it and not 2 seconds into a song he said ďOh, its techno. This sucks.Ē and promptly walked away. He didnít even attempt to listen to the rest of the album (which consisted of multiple sub-genres of dance including Latin and even Hip-Hop).

The fact is, Iím very proud of all of us as a team. We did what we believed was right and stuck to our own ideas as a group. The moment an artist tries to make music in attempt to please everybody, they sell out and nobody respects them. By staying true to ourselves we gained a great amount of respect from our fans and received constructive criticism from all kinds of intelligent listeners. I am very thankful for everyone who supported us, even if some of them didnít find the music as enjoyable as others did.

Genius314 wrote:
Never Die - I didn't understand why this song had cheering in the beginning. There's no lyrics, and the whole beginning of the song is synthetic, so its not like there's supposed to be people performing it or anything. It just annoyed me (but of course, thats just me. I usually don't even like real music that was live and has cheering. It kinda makes it seem like the artists just are like "Woohoo, look at all the people we have who love us!!!")


I realize and admit that the cheering was a little... gimmicky on my part. Razz It was a last minute experiment to try and do something a little different for the sake of making the song as diverse as possible. Frankly, I like the atmosphere it created - the feeling of a crowd building up and getting "pumped" with the song. Synthetic music can be perfomred live too (look at most international DJ/Electronica artists) which was the vibe I was going for in the intro of the song. But hey, like you said: you're not a fan of live music recordings, so I can respect that. Smile

Pupirin wrote:
corran wrote:
That 4-Chan stuff makes me sad...I mean, not a single person gave a reason as to why they thought it was bad. I'm inclined to think that they are all just dissing it because they have nothing better to do Confused


No, they're dissing it because it really is pretty bad.

But really, it's hard to describe a person what's bad about their work when it's just homogenously terrible.

The basic thing to say for most of the tracks would be that the artist was too busy sucking their own musical dick to properly respect the original piece, and what was once some excellent music, got turned into shitty generic rock/metal/trance music, and the whole thing reeks of immaturity and poor taste.

I'm finding it extremely hard to figure out how someone could listen to Grasstown, and then Grass Stains, and not find the later to sound as if someone was slapping their dick against a cheap electric guitar.

Not to be offensive or troll or anything, I just can't think of a better metaphor to describe this music then dicks sloppily mashing against instruments.


Ö

I don't even need to make a joke or comment here. This is just funny on it's own.

corran wrote:
Pupirin wrote:
The basic thing to say for most of the tracks would be that the artist was too busy sucking their own musical dick to properly respect the original piece, and what was once some excellent music, got turned into shitty generic rock/metal/trance music, and the whole thing reeks of immaturity and poor taste.


Sorry, I guess if we do another CD we'll arrange the tracks in a country ballad and/or rap style to suit your [poor] musical tastes.

Go back to being an anonymous troll at 4chan, kthxbye


Very Happy

Seriously, Iím totally up for working on a country ballad/rap fusion piece if anyone else wants to join in. Any takers? Razz
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pupirin wrote:
I'm finding it extremely hard to figure out how someone could listen to Grasstown, and then Grass Stains, and not find the later to sound as if someone was slapping their dick against a cheap electric guitar.


Well hey I slapped it hard, so show some respect! On a more trivial note, I first intended to name that song "Grass in my Ass". This has already been covered, but; I was very close to scrapping that song altogether since I didn't really like the outcome, it sounds like a midirip. So what you're doing is pointing out the obvious in a disrespectful manner..
And then we have the people who come along and actually like that song. That's the reason it's even in there. There's always gonna be discerning tastes, especially in music. But I get what you're saying, I'd probably think the same about the song if I wasn't the one who made it.

Actually Pupirin, I was once in the very situation you are in now. There's a contest called Dwelling of Duels. Once upon a month, the results were posted, and I let everyone have a piece of my mind in form of very short reviews. They were much like what you wrote, not far from including genitalia in description. Then along came a friendly guy called "norg" and kindly explained to me that "that's not how it works". And he's right, it's not how it works. Instead of venting your frustration, which may or may not be due to the lack of quality displayed, either quietly observe or bring forth constructive critisism. And it's not hard, just say what you don't like, and exclude cursing and genitalia! Just like riding a bike it's something you gotta learn, and be ready to apply whenever needed.
Then you might be thinking "but hey should I just look at all these cheery retards praising their feces and be cheery myself?". Absolutely not, keep your opinion, but instead of being an ass, turn it into something positive. Observe how the audience likes this and tap into it like a business and make some money. Or more probable; have a glass of water and shut up. Go play an instrument.
In the end I do try to actually appreciate your opinion, it's what makes me/us flexible/adaptable.

OverCoat wrote:
My main beef with the Ball of Ballos lyrics is that I couldn't understand them, they were mixed too low.

I personally don't mind lyrics! I just wish they were more audible.


This can easily be explained by pointing to my inability to actually sing and instead relying on software to make my voice tolerable.
I'm not sure what I was aiming for with the end of that song, but somewhat in the lines of imagining the listener to have the mindset of expecting that one Opeth song to appear. There's few things as gratifying as recognition and nostalgia within music, repeating melodies when fit. I would've wanted the song to turn into that ending if I heard it for the first time.

Genius314 wrote:

Ball of Ballos - Ok, I understand WHY you put the lyrics in there (although i didn't bother listening to the song you got them from. I got the point without it.), but... Why?


So did you or did you not understand WHY I put it in there? It's somewhat explained above if the answer is no. And with risk of sounding like a retard.. this "point" you got without listening to Closure by Opeth, what exactly is that?
It might be important to add that I personally quite rarely actually LISTEN to lyrics and interpret them, the actual words in my remix didn't carry any meaning at all for me personally, other than the musical expression of actually portraying that one song.


So... sleeptime for me!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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this "point" you got without listening to Closure by Opeth, what exactly is that?


I can understand that the songs are similar (unless i misunderstood you, in which case i didn't get any point from it), but i didn't understand why you would add lyrics from that song in it. I mean, plenty of songs sound similar, but they don't use thier lyrics.
If you still don't get what im saying, um, well, i can't really explain it any better. And I'm tired. So, yeah. Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pupirin wrote:
The basic thing to say for most of the tracks would be that the artist was too busy sucking their own musical dick to properly respect the original piece, and what was once some excellent music, got turned into shitty generic rock/metal/trance music, and the whole thing reeks of immaturity and poor taste.


I normally don't feed trolls, I couldn't care less that you dont think highly of the project, please, go do something better and fail miserably.

Your saying the artist was trying to hard to show off and thusly didn't do justice to the music? that argument doesnt even make sense! Its not EVEN an argument, its like two seperate statements which arent backed up by anything really. I'm sorry if you dont approve of us 'showing off' or adding stylistic touches to the music, but that was the intended goal of the project.

Furthermore, There are lots of tracks that arent generic 'techno/rock/metal' in ANY respect. Check out Modulation, Welcome Home, Shoddy Loch, & Orange Sunset. Your really just trying to bash the project at this point without doing any real research.

The only thing thats immature and in poor taste is your post - now please clean up your act, form some more solid and respectable opinions or be removed - any more of this bullshit and you wont be tolerated.

oh, and one more thing - Tackle and Fezik can play guitar better then you EVER will be able to. I know you dont care, but thats something that they have invested time into and learned how to do, so next time you want to bash someones work like that take a step back and think about what you've done in your life that compares.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi, I have a question. Which track is Island of Eden supposed to be? Not a troll, just a question.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 2:31 am    Post subject: Smoothie Brace Reply with quote
I have a comment on track 21. It's here.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
^...? am i missing something here?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hahaha XD There was a link there, the formatting makes it difficult to see.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums...oktakanto/smoothiebrace-lines.jpg


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