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k-wix

What do you think of the project?

The project is going to launch today, very soon Smile when it does, this is so you can let us know what you think! But first a simple rule:

Any spamming/trolling/rude behavior will not be tolerated.
OverCoat

THIS IS FANTASTIC
The Otaku

Very Happy Either Overcoat can see into the future or my browser isn't refreshing right when I hit reload...
Zephyre

nope, overcoat can see into the WIP forum Wink

To avoid makin this an entirely pointless post I'll also say that there's been a fairly high level of stuff turned out by the mixers and those of you hearing it for the first time tonight are in for some quality music Wink
The Otaku

Well the little bit I've heard is great. I have access to the WIP forum too, it's just towards the end I stopped checking out the music because I wanted to wait til the project was released to be all "OMG YAY" like everyone else. And even if you heard stuff in the WIP forums, there was A LOT of music that wasn't released there and went straight to k-wix from the remixer.

This is gonna be awesome. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
corran

Haha, that's awesome. I probably would not be able to restrain myself, personally.

Front page says 100%...
The Otaku

Oo a few minutes ago it said 98%... maybe k-wix is setting it up now?? Or really soon?

*glee*
Dain22

Yay! It's finished and uploading to the server! 100% never looked so good Very Happy
corran

Woohoo! A big thanks to k-wix for running an awesome project!
The Otaku

Awesome.

And 22 tracks is pretty good! Great job guys!

And k-wix, awesome job to you too! From what I see projects are either never completed, or take over a year to complete. But compared to that? This project was up in no time!
RushJet1

great job on the art otaku

this one just about made me die laughing
Genius314

The first and third banners pwned!! (Quote and Balrog, just in case the order changes...) Cool
The Otaku

Thanks! Very Happy

Mm, and just so everyone knows

http://kwix.shackspace.com/cavestory/art/CS21.jpg
http://kwix.shackspace.com/cavestory/art/CS24.jpg
http://kwix.shackspace.com/cavestory/art/CS25.jpg

Those 3 were done by other people. So if you like them be sure to let them know too! (Though I can't quite remember who did them -.-Wink
Genius314

Yeah, i could tell by the different style. I remember the second one from around this forum somewhere.
corran

Yeah Otaku, art looks great!
The Otaku

T_T I don't see any banners. Are they up? *hits reload* I saw one but it like..went away.

Oh, I just realized something. There's actually a couple more pieces I did for the project I don't see with the rest of it. I wonder if k-wix accidently left them out?
corran

Uh oh, sinowBeat's "A Hero's Resting Place" isn't working...

I think it's the return of the infamous apostrophe D:

EDIT: whoops it works now?
Zephyre

nope...all links are down for me now
The Otaku

Actually none of the music will download... am I the only one with this problem?

Edit: Guess not.
Finalhazard

Hey, I have a question.

When someone gets the whole of it, will they put it up as a torrent? I'd like to get the songs, but I don't want to download them individually. I want to get them all at once. XD
corran

I was getting them, and then suddenly they all changed to have track numbers (a good thing). I don't know what happened. I'm sure it's just an uploading issue somewhere.
OverCoat

All the links are up and working now. I pressured k-wix into putting track numbers in the filenames :3
k-wix

Ninja Fixed. track numbers got added. All downloads are working.

A zip of all the songs is being worked on. For now i'd reccomend Firefox's 'GET IT ALL' plugin, Overcoat! Link them!

A zip of the CD Album art in hi-res quality pre-set for printing will come very soon aswell.
The Otaku

Hooray!
corran

Yeah I was about to ask myself, track numbers were needed!
Zephyre

for those who'd like to wait (and I ask that you preferably do to save on bandwidth and let me get the files quicker) I'll have a a torrent up for disc 1 in about 20 mins and disc 2 as soon as I get them
OverCoat

for all those broadband folks with firefox:
http://www.downthemall.net/
It's useful for a page with a lot of links [for example, the CSRP download page!] and I get a lot of use out of it.
Zephyre

DISC 1 TORRENT

..
The Otaku

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/9652/huzzah1py.png

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/822/kingandarthur4sz.png

And about the banners, I only see one with Misery, since for some reason my browser isn't showing the rest. So if someone could like, PM them to me at VGMix I'd really appreciate it. Very Happy
k-wix

i never got those ones Sad

Banner links are:

http://kwix.shackspace.com/cavestory/art/Banner1.jpg
http://kwix.shackspace.com/cavestory/art/Banner2.jpg
http://kwix.shackspace.com/cavestory/art/Banner3.jpg
http://kwix.shackspace.com/cavestory/art/Banner4.jpg
http://kwix.shackspace.com/cavestory/art/Banner5.jpg
http://kwix.shackspace.com/cavestory/art/Banner6.jpg
http://kwix.shackspace.com/cavestory/art/Banner7.jpg
http://kwix.shackspace.com/cavestory/art/Banner8.jpg


Try holding control then refreshing the page.
corran

Something is funky with the banners. If I try to save them they show up as "untitled.bmp". This has happened on other sites, but usually only occasionally and not to several pics at the same time.
Finalhazard

Re: DISC 1 TORRENT

Zephyre wrote:
Disc 1 Torrent

csrp-disc 1.torrent - 0.04MB


Much thanks for the torrent link. That helps out a lot, man.
Genius314

Ooh, im liking what im hearing!
So far, I think Grass Stains sounds the best...
Welcome home was nice, a good orchestrated song...
Hmm, this is gonna take a while to listen to each one... Never Die is 8:00!! Wow...
Zephyre

csrp.torrent - 0.04MB

ok, the whole project should be there I think. get seeding people :p

for those who already have th project and want to seed just tell the torrent to save in the same location you have the project in on your hard disk, just make sure it has the same directory structure as in the torrent.
RushJet1

http://4x86.com/csrp/disc1.zip
http://4x86.com/csrp/disc2.zip

in zip format for people who don't want to download them individually or can't use a torrent.

if they break, post a message, but i can get to them.
RushJet1

just as a suggestion, this has turned into more of a general discussion of the project than a "what do you think" thread - maybe make another thread?
travisuped

LONG POST WARNING

I am seriously loving this! Very Happy
Thanks to everyone that contributed to creating such a nice product!

(I've been listening to this a bit, and I've started the reviewing from something near the enf of MV. I'm trying to review from my initial impression as that's often the most 'Pure' idea one gets of an image for the first time. Razz)
Mimiga Vibe was fun. Smile

Island of Eden is interesting... The 5min mark had me looking for the ending, but the 6min mark revived my intrest. Don't know why, but it did.

The into to Welcome Home was by far one of the more interesting one's I've heard. In fact, there's nothing about Welcome Home that makes me hesitate to call it sheer brilliance. Shocked This is definatly one of may new favorite songs of all time. Facelessman, I'm going to have to check out a lot more of your works. Wink

Doukutstu Dance is another nice piece. The intro and 3:34-end bit happens to furfil one of my musical niches, and the rest of it is a very amusing coverage of one of my favorite themes from DM/CS. Some of the vocal/vcoder work was lovely. Vaughn, nice work!

Tetrahedron is a very beautiful piece! But I have to say, the part brought in a :50 reminded me more than just a little bit of the Level Select from Super Mario World. Eh, Fox? You're kinda inspiring me to follow your tracks. Razz

Shoddy Loch put me on edge... The parts brought up at 1:12 was a bit intoxicating. You caught my attention at 2:24 with it's suddenly bouncy nature. Te return of the old drum pattern at 2:48 was a nice transition. Smile I just have to say, very little of this seemed familliar at all. Though it may be my inobservance.

Decision's intro is very interesting... I like how it's building up at :27.
1:20-end = Gold. I have to say right now:
THIS IS MY FAVORITE OF THIS ENTIRE MIX SET.
Seriously, this is the main thing I remembered from the preview MP3, and the song I was looking most forward to.

Scrap Metal's intro reminds me a bit of a temple. As it progresses, it only get's better! :50 was wonderful. Smile I have to say, a lot of this reminds me of Lava Reef Zone from Sonic 3 & Knuckles (like the melody introduced at 1:04)...
2:08 was nice. Everytime you bring back the percussion, you rearouse my full intrest in this.

Almost There... If I hadn't waited for :26's intro, I would have completely skipped over this for some time.
But this mix is seriously catchy. This is another one of those songs I'm bumping to the upper portion of my playlist.

Cave Story- Tumult, you almost made me laugh! XD I wasn't expecting it to be a mix of this kind. But it was very nice. Smile But this one didn't seem to change too much from the original. I'd probably recignize the diffrence if I played them one after another, but I'll do it later.

Conbination Lock - I'm lost for words... It's another one of those things I remember very distinctly from the previes a bit back. It's a nice creepy atmosphere of impending trouble you've got going here. I like more than anything how you maintained that feel throughout the entire piece.

Orange Sunset is another mellow pice that I find quit calming. The change at 1:20 was welcome when I got to it.

A Hero's Resting Place - Another one of those pieces I remember well when I heard it on the preview... Unsettling, and it does so in a very nice manner. I rather lack the words to decribe my opinion of this accurately.

Ball of Ballos 7 Minutes!? Impress me Tackle.
:44 - Nice addition
lots of change from there to 1:20.
1:20 being my favorite part of this entire mix! It's not seriously shocking, but this is definately something I'm going to listen to more than twenty times.
I just recignize I heard this on the preview too.
3:30 sounded less and less interesting up to...
4:00 Which was another nice part of the mix. I enjoy this part not nearly as much as 1:20, but a good amount. Smile
4:53 is sort of a throwback to the sound of 3:30. Sounds a bit more like noise than music to me.
5:33 is interesting again. The vocals added in are interesting as well, but I can not understand them. (don't tell me what they are, because that tends to ruin a lot of songs for me.)
All in all, I though this was pretty good, but there's so much to it... Anyway, I think you did good Tackle

Smoothie Brace is relaxing and soothing... I enjoy it a lot. I reminds me a bit of another game Pixel had worked on that I can't remember at the moment. (it's underwater, and you move around by shooting bubbles and stuff.) I really like how you work with those really subtle sounds in the BG and shift them from side to side with out it becoming a distraction.
A REALLY high pitch a 4:26/7 hurt my left ear though. :/ Good song. Smile

Holy Crap, DJ Dain! a single 8 minute Mix!? I'm interested in how this is going to turn out.
Interesting intro so far...
I can really feel it building up torward the 1 minute mark.
As it progresses, the way it shifts from left to right like that actually makes me a feel a bit like I'm inside of the bonus stage tube of Sonic Heroes. (again) To be honest, it kinda distracts me from succesfully typing at all while listening to it.
But I really love how you mixed this. It's more than just interesting. Razz 2:50 ish changes are very nice. Smile I really love what you did with the strings around 3:20-4:05
4:50 caught my attention with the change, but didn't really take me to a wowing pount with the build from that.
The return of the string at 6:35 was a welcome one for me. And I like what you did with the mix from that point on out.

Otaku, I really enjoyed the art! =P (as well as those from the other contributers.)

And nice ending credits K-wix. Razz
(If you do decide to get a disc 3 together, send me some kind of notification. Like an e-mail or something...)
Once again, I'd like to say thanks to you all for making this project! Very Happy It was definately worth the listen!
Genius314

One thing... Facelessman, is it possible for you to give me the project files (or maybe a midi or something) of Welcome Home? I just want to see what an orchestrated song looks like (I'm really bad at making them myself.)
Facelessman

Genius314 wrote:
One thing... Facelessman, is it possible for you to give me the project files (or maybe a midi or something) of Welcome Home? I just want to see what an orchestrated song looks like (I'm really bad at making them myself.)


I can send you a midi or the Finale file. (which can be viewed using the free Finale Notepad program)

Which would you like? Very Happy

travisuped - thanks for the compliments! You can't really listen to any of my other works, unfortunately, with VGMix being down. But I'm working on a google site, and I'll be putting my best stuff on there.

Now I'm going to download and play Cave Story... Then, and only then, I'll listen to the project...I really should have played it earlier, but...I was busy!
heatsink

Still going through the music, but I gotta say it right here, Pulse/Modulation blew me away. The string sound like an erhu to me.

Oh yes oh yes oh yes <3
Genius314

@Facelessman: Midi please.

@Everyone else: Is it just my slow computer, or do some of these songs play slowly (well, they pause every few seconds.)? It seems that all the good songs are too complicated to play on this lousy PC. Any way to fix that (besides buying some faster hardware for this computer)?
corran

After listening to the other tracks myself, I must say I am really impressed with the overall quality and diversity of these arrangements! Great job to all the other participants!

And Genius: are you downloading them or streaming them? Sounds like streaming. Try right-clicking and saving them maybe.
Genius314

Nope, they're on my computer already. Actually i think its Windows Media Player's fault. It seems fine in other programs (just Audacity, the only other program capable of playing songs currently installed on my computer that has a shortcut on my desktop...)

Ohh, i love the Ball of Ballos one... Very nice...
tackle

if anybody wants to know the lyrics for ball of ballos, and where they're from, check here:

http://www.karlmacklin.com/lyrics.txt

in other words, it's nothing I wrote, it doesn't have to do with the original track running hell or cave story itself.. it only connects where it matters.. musically!
corran

And by the way, that mix totally rocked! I was pleasantly surprised to hear it.
Dain22

Ball of Ballos is one totally badass track. I was driving home from a friends and decided to blast it out of my car - man does that song get me pumped!
heatsink

I didn't like `Running Hell' much, but `Ball of Ballos' didn't have the things that I didn't like about the original. That in itself impressed me.
OverCoat



SIGH

This is proof that there are some people who will just never "get" why we do this.
saburo

^ that 4chan? take it from a 4channer, not all of us are bitching, some of use REALLY enjoy this. Thank you to all the mixers for their time and effort.

Ps- Someone remix King's Theme Mad
heatsink

Anonymity breeds contempt. It was probably written by someone who thinks writing a book is like reading a book.
The Otaku

Hahaha...Ha... Ha?

...

Sad

God I hate 4chan. Really guys, don't take anything they seriously. They're just..blargh. They obviously have no taste in music either.

"What a horrible CD cover" Haha, that's not the first time my art has been dissed on 4chan.
OverCoat

Otaku: I totally see you post stuff in /ic/ all the time, and the creepy part is I can tell it's your work D:
NPC

I would like to say this right now: I am very impressed by this CD. I enjoyed everything I heard, and I'm glad something like this finally came along. I loved the Cave Story soundtrack, so I was completely excited by the concept of a remix CD of it.

A third CD would be great. Go for it. :E
The Otaku

Haha I don't know if that's good or bad? Very Happy

But yeah, I do post there. However after the comments I got last time, I see I'm not gonna get any good advice.

Anyhoo... I'm gonna try to make a remix of something from Cave Story now... seriously. D:
rune-san

Server space anyone?

So umm yeah... I'm a long time fan of Cave Story. And well, I enjoy this project, what it stands for, the effort put into it, and appreciate the work of its members. I noticed that the servers dont quite work for me. Embarassed I can get stuff from your servers but not the others you seem to have the music on. As I am a big fan of open-source / independent projects (This one being among my favs) I would be honored if you would accept me being a mirror of your files. Me and my brother have a server that we dedicate to our small site (down below for those who want to see it) and I do believe we have room and enough badwidth that we could take some pressure off of you guys. (It's not a "free" server, but our own little cozy server that we own (since we own the company its running under. Cool)) No money, no joining. We could provide a direct, no catch http link to the downloads simply because I like what all you guys have done for this project, If you are interested please tell me. I wasn't exactly sure where to go with this. Everywhere said i needed special access Embarassed
djet0

HUZZAH! I finally got it!!
YESSSSSS!
And I have energy to summarize my review into word:
Awesome.
Music? AWESOME.
Art? AWESOME.
In all? AWESOME!!!!!!!
And so, THANK YOU!!! MANY THANKS!! ENJOY YOUR SUMMER! Wink
CombMahToes

Criticism

Okay. Here's what me and what (probably a lot of people also did) the moment we the last section of the green bar hit the end. We went directly to the main theme, and was greeted with what? A minute and a half of what can be only descibed as fanboy agony. I think most of you will agree, the fact that the title of this one song is also the name of the game gives it a certain signifigance over the other remixes. It is a representation of the whole game, no? So why is the length almost the same as the original? Why does it sound like it was the same song with a few tweaks and turns from the orgmaker? Perhaps it is the only song I've listened to so far, but that is the only one I'm criticizing. What I do not like is not that whoever made this didn't work had enough on this, because I really don't know whether or not he/she did, but the fact that this song did not get the respect it deserves. Perhaps I'm just talking out my ass, but I know for a fact that I am not the only on dissapointed in this track. *off to listen to the other tracks.

(feedback would be nice)
tackle

actually, I'm not sure I understood your message at all

let's blaim it on me not having english as native toungue
bundeslang

This project has the highest score in
Quality/Time between start and release.

Nice work and it didn't take long. There are projects which took more than 1.5 year.
k-wix

Re: Criticism

CombMahToes wrote:
Okay. Here's what me and what (probably a lot of people also did) the moment we the last section of the green bar hit the end. We went directly to the main theme, and was greeted with what? A minute and a half of what can be only descibed as fanboy agony. I think most of you will agree, the fact that the title of this one song is also the name of the game gives it a certain signifigance over the other remixes. It is a representation of the whole game, no? So why is the length almost the same as the original? Why does it sound like it was the same song with a few tweaks and turns from the orgmaker? Perhaps it is the only song I've listened to so far, but that is the only one I'm criticizing. What I do not like is not that whoever made this didn't work had enough on this, because I really don't know whether or not he/she did, but the fact that this song did not get the respect it deserves. Perhaps I'm just talking out my ass, but I know for a fact that I am not the only on dissapointed in this track. *off to listen to the other tracks.

(feedback would be nice)


basically, the song was resequenced from the ground up as NES chip-tune. It was actually supposed to be the same on purpose, it has nothing to do with orgmaker at all really. But.. the similarity is obvious - and people who don't know better are going to presume that. The style diversity of the project is massive, it goes from chip-tunes to orchestral to hard trance, and i can only suggest that you listen to the cds from the beginning to the end - it was designed that way.
corran

That 4-Chan stuff makes me sad...I mean, not a single person gave a reason as to why they thought it was bad. I'm inclined to think that they are all just dissing it because they have nothing better to do Confused
ikki5

I really like this music, good job guys but I think the the song " Cave Story" could have been done a bit better. It just does not seem like much was done to it compared to the game.
ramsus_x

What about an original name?

Hi everyone, I think you all done a very, very good job with this. I am a big fan of Cave Story, especially because of its story and music.

Well, I have a little suggestion: Have you ever think about a project name instead of "Cave Story Remix Project"? I mean, maybe something like "Quote's destiny", or "The path that leads the Cave"... etc, that can make a difference in what the name of the project respects.

As you noticed, I don't know much english to express as I want, but I hope you can understand what I mean.

Keep doing the good job guys. And congrats k-wix, you've done pretty well with the idea.
Pupirin

corran wrote:
That 4-Chan stuff makes me sad...I mean, not a single person gave a reason as to why they thought it was bad. I'm inclined to think that they are all just dissing it because they have nothing better to do Confused


No, they're dissing it because it really is pretty bad.

But really, it's hard to describe a person what's bad about their work when it's just homogenously terrible.

The basic thing to say for most of the tracks would be that the artist was too busy sucking their own musical dick to properly respect the original piece, and what was once some excellent music, got turned into shitty generic rock/metal/trance music, and the whole thing reeks of immaturity and poor taste.

I'm finding it extremely hard to figure out how someone could listen to Grasstown, and then Grass Stains, and not find the later to sound as if someone was slapping their dick against a cheap electric guitar.

Not to be offensive or troll or anything, I just can't think of a better metaphor to describe this music then dicks sloppily mashing against instruments.
Neonlare

Pupirin wrote:
corran wrote:
That 4-Chan stuff makes me sad...I mean, not a single person gave a reason as to why they thought it was bad. I'm inclined to think that they are all just dissing it because they have nothing better to do Confused


No, they're dissing it because it really is pretty bad.

But really, it's hard to describe a person what's bad about their work when it's just homogenously terrible.

The basic thing to say for most of the tracks would be that the artist was too busy sucking their own musical dick to properly respect the original piece, and what was once some excellent music, got turned into shitty generic rock/metal/trance music, and the whole thing reeks of immaturity and poor taste.

I'm finding it extremely hard to figure out how someone could listen to Grasstown, and then Grass Stains, and not find the later to sound as if someone was slapping their dick against a cheap electric guitar.

Not to be offensive or troll or anything, I just can't think of a better metaphor to describe this music then dicks sloppily mashing against instruments.


You lose, good day sir. To see why check your post count.

Well, I wish I could hear the seperate MP3s but they won't load up onto Window's Media Player, anyone here who can help?
corran

Pupirin wrote:
Not to be offensive or troll or anything, I just can't think of a better metaphor to describe this music then dicks sloppily mashing against instruments.


If that's not blatant trolling, I don't know what is.

Pupirin wrote:
The basic thing to say for most of the tracks would be that the artist was too busy sucking their own musical dick to properly respect the original piece, and what was once some excellent music, got turned into shitty generic rock/metal/trance music, and the whole thing reeks of immaturity and poor taste.


Sorry, I guess if we do another CD we'll arrange the tracks in a country ballad and/or rap style to suit your [poor] musical tastes.

Go back to being an anonymous troll at 4chan, kthxbye
Genius314

That was a... er, pleasant metaphor...
You're being completely hypocritical. You're saying that these songs were generic, while your post is just a generic "This sucks, im right, you're wrong" kind of post. If you think these remixes are bad, show us a remix that isn't.
You can't? Oh yes, thats right. You're too busy dissing music to enjoy it.
Pupirin

Post count? Is that it?

I thought there would be a bit more backlash.

I mean I basically told you the music was nothing but a bunch of amateurs dicking guitars.

It hardly hurts my argument, that I haven't been sitting around here sucking the e-dicks of a bunch of guys who think a remix is adding a bunch of techno shit and electric guitars.

Edit: Isn't your argument basically "We're not wrong! YOU'RE WRONG. STOP TROLLING OUR BOARDS. Sad"?
Genius314

Then what the heck DO you consider a remix? I've listened to a LOT of remixes, and I've NEVER heard anything that was considerably better than this. I mean, its not the best, but its not as bad as you say it is. If you can find ANY remix that shows us how bad these "really" are, I'll believe you. Until then, stop your vague trolling, and at least give us a reason for why you hate these songs (for instance, I didn't like the vocoder instrument in Doukutsu Dance, but i didn't just say "that song sounded like it was put together by a retarded two-year-old")
corran

Pupirin wrote:
I thought there would be a bit more backlash.


Obviously you want more backlash, so that qualifies as TROLLING, so we ask you to not do it. Giving valid reasons to why you don't like certain things and feedback is fine, but blanket "You guys suck!" is not helpful or appreciated.

Pupirin wrote:
I mean I basically told you the music was nothing but a bunch of amateurs dicking guitars.


I think there were 3 tunes with live guitar out of 22? Your argument is totally retarded.

Furthermore, calling us amateurs just begs to be proven. Show us your musical prowess then.
OverCoat

Neonlare wrote:
You lose, good day sir. To see why check your post count.


Um...

Are you normally stupid?

Here's my thoughts on the matter:

Yes, I believe some people didn't understand why we made this, our goal was a very niche one. Am I angry that they didn't like it? Not really. The only thing I'm disappointed in is their vague disapproval of the entire project as a whole. Most of the feedback so far has been listener feedback however, so I'll give them leeway since most of them have no previous experience giving constructive criticisms or reviews.

This project was made for fun. So guys, chill the fuck out. You can't expect everyone to like everything about this project, so let the troll have his opinion.

Also, you guys realize that none of these are actually "remixes" by normal terms, right? They're actually arrangements [or covers, like Grass Stains or tumult's Cave Story].
Pupirin

I'll concede that I'm trolling.

Still, the music really is bad.
RushJet1

OverCoat wrote:
Neonlare wrote:
You lose, good day sir. To see why check your post count.


Um...

Are you normally stupid?


hahahaha i was thinking the same thing.

anyway people - if Pupirin thinks the music sucks, he can think it! i'm not going to try to defend something against an opinion. also throwing mud back isn't going to do you any good.

also, someone doesn't need to be an expert at something to tell if it's good or not. do you have to be good at developing video games to decipher which ones are good and bad? no, you just play them. a lot of people listen to music a lot and can recognize good music and bad music... they don't have to be artists to make their own decisions.

of course, being a total asshole about it isn't helping Pupirin out!
Neonlare

OverCoat wrote:
Neonlare wrote:
You lose, good day sir. To see why check your post count.


Um...

Are you normally stupid?

Here's my thoughts on the matter:

Yes, I believe some people didn't understand why we made this, our goal was a very niche one. Am I angry that they didn't like it? Not really. The only thing I'm disappointed in is their vague disapproval of the entire project as a whole. Most of the feedback so far has been listener feedback however, so I'll give them leeway since most of them have no previous experience giving constructive criticisms or reviews.

This project was made for fun. So guys, chill the fuck out. You can't expect everyone to like everything about this project, so let the troll have his opinion.

Also, you guys realize that none of these are actually "remixes" by normal terms, right? They're actually arrangements [or covers, like Grass Stains or tumult's Cave Story].


No, I just noticed that his first post was just that, not even an introduction or maybe some constructive criticism, not just that trollish statement he made...

Now if only I could get thoose MP3s to work Sad.
corran

You're right Overcoat. Personally, I would really like some well-thought out criticism on my stuff. That's why I hate random "you suck at music" posts. But, people are welcome to their own opinions, regardless of how much sense they actually makes.
OverCoat

You can't get the mp3s to work in Windows Media Player?

Well first off WMP really sucks? If that's not a public computer you should probably consider an alternative: Winamp, Foobar2000, iTunes, XMPlay, etc.

But whatever, these are .mp3s and they SHOULD work in WMP. Does it give you an error or something?
RushJet1

i'm sure everyone would love some constructive criticism. maybe we should make a topic or forum where all the mixers post their opinions on every song but their own!
corran

Yeah I think that would be cool! I've been listening to everything a lot and definately would post a big write-up on each track.
The Otaku

Re: What do you think of the project?

k-wix wrote:
The project is going to launch today, very soon Smile when it does, this is so you can let us know what you think! But first a simple rule:

Any spamming/trolling/rude behavior will not be tolerated.


Just a reminder to the newcomers. It's fine if you say you didn't like a song. Just give a reason why instead of "it sucks".

People worked really hard on this project, so if you have any suggestions as how they could make their music better in the future, I'm sure many would appreciate it.


And to people who worked on the project: Don't let trolls bother you. If you show them you're bothered they'll just keep at it... so just think, for every troll, there's so many more people that appreciate this project.
Genius314

Quote:
And to people who worked on the project: Don't let trolls bother you.


I DIDN'T work on the project - and trolls STILL bother me... I think its just because, well, I say I like something, and someone comes along and makes me feel really stupid for liking it. Embarassed

Now...

What didn't I like about the project?

Ballrawg - Nice song, but the "Huzzah" just didn't seem like it was said by Balrog. I always imagined Balrog having a slightly higher, goofier voice. Also, I really don't like short vocals added into songs without lyrics. There's several ReMixes I've heard that had an extra "come on" or "break it" or whatever that sorta ruined the song for me. Oh well, thats my problem.

Doukutsu Dance - Nice song... However, I feel that the 1-minute long slow intro really deminished the "dance" part of the song.
Also, the instrument choices... At 1:02, we hear some nice bass. I mean, REALLY nice. Loved it. Then the treble comes in at 1:08. Nice synth, but when it changes at 1:10, it sounds kinda annoying. Then at 1:54, the synth voice comes. Didn't like that. It just sounded wierd. Like the computer was straining to lift something.

Ball of Ballos - Ok, I understand WHY you put the lyrics in there (although i didn't bother listening to the song you got them from. I got the point without it.), but... Why? I usually don't like lyrics in a video game song (which is why i constantly turn the sound down when playing any of the 3-D Sonic games), but why take them from an existing song. The entire rest of the song was great. Nice job.

Never Die - I didn't understand why this song had cheering in the beginning. There's no lyrics, and the whole beginning of the song is synthetic, so its not like there's supposed to be people performing it or anything. It just annoyed me (but of course, thats just me. I usually don't even like real music that was live and has cheering. It kinda makes it seem like the artists just are like "Woohoo, look at all the people we have who love us!!!")
OverCoat

My main beef with the Ball of Ballos lyrics is that I couldn't understand them, they were mixed too low.

I personally don't mind lyrics! I just wish they were more audible.
RushJet1

ok here's some thoughts. i will post more as i have time

----------------------------

k-wix - mimiga vibe

as a song:

-starts out pretty nice.. until the square comes in around :40. it got on my nerves, especially at the end of its loop every loop.. it just hangs there.

-don't like the the electric piano much, but that's more my preference i guess!?

-lead at 4:45 sounds annoyingly like my casio CTK-611's "bass & lead" sound. bleh.

-bass in the song is pretty lackluster. it either sits on one note for the first half, or it does the TEKNO PULSE the second half.. not much movement.

-the drums were good quality in regards to the samples, but were really repetitive Sad they did change it up a little from section to section, but there are no (or very few) fills to speak of within those sections until the end.

as a remix:

-takes awhile to get to the source material. it is pretty straightforward for awhile.

-the nice arps going around in the original are replaced with a weird synth moving around a lot (and looping). it's ok, could have been better i think (the original sounded much more lyrical.. i guess is the word, while this sounds more electronic/mechanical).

-unfortunately, i really don't like the ending. it's ... way too happy. it's almost screaming "this song was kind of sad-sounding, but IT HAD A HAPPY ENDING! I SWEAR!"

----------------------------

tumult - cave story

as a song:

-i don't like the main lead around 0:08, sounds plinky. however when it changes timbres at 0:12 it sounds great.

-konami-snare-alike bonus points +++++

as a remix:

-it's the same as the original. this is something i won't ever get - how people can complain that "someone changed the song too much" in some cases where it still sounds great, and other people say "this sucks, it's exactly like the original" about this. whatever, can't please critics, bastards, fucktards

----------------------------

kris davis - island of eden

as a song:

-that warbly "spooky" sound at 0:15 sucks. i just really don't like it.

-guitars! not too shabby quality either.

////////////

crap don't have time, will finish later
Dain22

corran wrote:
You're right Overcoat. Personally, I would really like some well-thought out criticism on my stuff. That's why I hate random "you suck at music" posts. But, people are welcome to their own opinions, regardless of how much sense they actually makes.


Too true Corran. Frankly I don't care if people love or hate my music, so long as they form an educated, informed and respectable opinion about it. When people are too lazy to put even the slightest bit of effort into their criticism, I just mentaly block out what they say. When I produced my first album back in high-school, I had this guy pick up a pair of headphones to listen to it and not 2 seconds into a song he said “Oh, its techno. This sucks.” and promptly walked away. He didn’t even attempt to listen to the rest of the album (which consisted of multiple sub-genres of dance including Latin and even Hip-Hop).

The fact is, I’m very proud of all of us as a team. We did what we believed was right and stuck to our own ideas as a group. The moment an artist tries to make music in attempt to please everybody, they sell out and nobody respects them. By staying true to ourselves we gained a great amount of respect from our fans and received constructive criticism from all kinds of intelligent listeners. I am very thankful for everyone who supported us, even if some of them didn’t find the music as enjoyable as others did.

Genius314 wrote:
Never Die - I didn't understand why this song had cheering in the beginning. There's no lyrics, and the whole beginning of the song is synthetic, so its not like there's supposed to be people performing it or anything. It just annoyed me (but of course, thats just me. I usually don't even like real music that was live and has cheering. It kinda makes it seem like the artists just are like "Woohoo, look at all the people we have who love us!!!")


I realize and admit that the cheering was a little... gimmicky on my part. Razz It was a last minute experiment to try and do something a little different for the sake of making the song as diverse as possible. Frankly, I like the atmosphere it created - the feeling of a crowd building up and getting "pumped" with the song. Synthetic music can be perfomred live too (look at most international DJ/Electronica artists) which was the vibe I was going for in the intro of the song. But hey, like you said: you're not a fan of live music recordings, so I can respect that. Smile

Pupirin wrote:
corran wrote:
That 4-Chan stuff makes me sad...I mean, not a single person gave a reason as to why they thought it was bad. I'm inclined to think that they are all just dissing it because they have nothing better to do Confused


No, they're dissing it because it really is pretty bad.

But really, it's hard to describe a person what's bad about their work when it's just homogenously terrible.

The basic thing to say for most of the tracks would be that the artist was too busy sucking their own musical dick to properly respect the original piece, and what was once some excellent music, got turned into shitty generic rock/metal/trance music, and the whole thing reeks of immaturity and poor taste.

I'm finding it extremely hard to figure out how someone could listen to Grasstown, and then Grass Stains, and not find the later to sound as if someone was slapping their dick against a cheap electric guitar.

Not to be offensive or troll or anything, I just can't think of a better metaphor to describe this music then dicks sloppily mashing against instruments.




I don't even need to make a joke or comment here. This is just funny on it's own.

corran wrote:
Pupirin wrote:
The basic thing to say for most of the tracks would be that the artist was too busy sucking their own musical dick to properly respect the original piece, and what was once some excellent music, got turned into shitty generic rock/metal/trance music, and the whole thing reeks of immaturity and poor taste.


Sorry, I guess if we do another CD we'll arrange the tracks in a country ballad and/or rap style to suit your [poor] musical tastes.

Go back to being an anonymous troll at 4chan, kthxbye


Very Happy

Seriously, I’m totally up for working on a country ballad/rap fusion piece if anyone else wants to join in. Any takers? Razz
tackle

Pupirin wrote:
I'm finding it extremely hard to figure out how someone could listen to Grasstown, and then Grass Stains, and not find the later to sound as if someone was slapping their dick against a cheap electric guitar.


Well hey I slapped it hard, so show some respect! On a more trivial note, I first intended to name that song "Grass in my Ass". This has already been covered, but; I was very close to scrapping that song altogether since I didn't really like the outcome, it sounds like a midirip. So what you're doing is pointing out the obvious in a disrespectful manner..
And then we have the people who come along and actually like that song. That's the reason it's even in there. There's always gonna be discerning tastes, especially in music. But I get what you're saying, I'd probably think the same about the song if I wasn't the one who made it.

Actually Pupirin, I was once in the very situation you are in now. There's a contest called Dwelling of Duels. Once upon a month, the results were posted, and I let everyone have a piece of my mind in form of very short reviews. They were much like what you wrote, not far from including genitalia in description. Then along came a friendly guy called "norg" and kindly explained to me that "that's not how it works". And he's right, it's not how it works. Instead of venting your frustration, which may or may not be due to the lack of quality displayed, either quietly observe or bring forth constructive critisism. And it's not hard, just say what you don't like, and exclude cursing and genitalia! Just like riding a bike it's something you gotta learn, and be ready to apply whenever needed.
Then you might be thinking "but hey should I just look at all these cheery retards praising their feces and be cheery myself?". Absolutely not, keep your opinion, but instead of being an ass, turn it into something positive. Observe how the audience likes this and tap into it like a business and make some money. Or more probable; have a glass of water and shut up. Go play an instrument.
In the end I do try to actually appreciate your opinion, it's what makes me/us flexible/adaptable.

OverCoat wrote:
My main beef with the Ball of Ballos lyrics is that I couldn't understand them, they were mixed too low.

I personally don't mind lyrics! I just wish they were more audible.


This can easily be explained by pointing to my inability to actually sing and instead relying on software to make my voice tolerable.
I'm not sure what I was aiming for with the end of that song, but somewhat in the lines of imagining the listener to have the mindset of expecting that one Opeth song to appear. There's few things as gratifying as recognition and nostalgia within music, repeating melodies when fit. I would've wanted the song to turn into that ending if I heard it for the first time.

Genius314 wrote:

Ball of Ballos - Ok, I understand WHY you put the lyrics in there (although i didn't bother listening to the song you got them from. I got the point without it.), but... Why?


So did you or did you not understand WHY I put it in there? It's somewhat explained above if the answer is no. And with risk of sounding like a retard.. this "point" you got without listening to Closure by Opeth, what exactly is that?
It might be important to add that I personally quite rarely actually LISTEN to lyrics and interpret them, the actual words in my remix didn't carry any meaning at all for me personally, other than the musical expression of actually portraying that one song.


So... sleeptime for me!
Genius314

Quote:
this "point" you got without listening to Closure by Opeth, what exactly is that?


I can understand that the songs are similar (unless i misunderstood you, in which case i didn't get any point from it), but i didn't understand why you would add lyrics from that song in it. I mean, plenty of songs sound similar, but they don't use thier lyrics.
If you still don't get what im saying, um, well, i can't really explain it any better. And I'm tired. So, yeah. Smile
k-wix

Pupirin wrote:
The basic thing to say for most of the tracks would be that the artist was too busy sucking their own musical dick to properly respect the original piece, and what was once some excellent music, got turned into shitty generic rock/metal/trance music, and the whole thing reeks of immaturity and poor taste.


I normally don't feed trolls, I couldn't care less that you dont think highly of the project, please, go do something better and fail miserably.

Your saying the artist was trying to hard to show off and thusly didn't do justice to the music? that argument doesnt even make sense! Its not EVEN an argument, its like two seperate statements which arent backed up by anything really. I'm sorry if you dont approve of us 'showing off' or adding stylistic touches to the music, but that was the intended goal of the project.

Furthermore, There are lots of tracks that arent generic 'techno/rock/metal' in ANY respect. Check out Modulation, Welcome Home, Shoddy Loch, & Orange Sunset. Your really just trying to bash the project at this point without doing any real research.

The only thing thats immature and in poor taste is your post - now please clean up your act, form some more solid and respectable opinions or be removed - any more of this bullshit and you wont be tolerated.

oh, and one more thing - Tackle and Fezik can play guitar better then you EVER will be able to. I know you dont care, but thats something that they have invested time into and learned how to do, so next time you want to bash someones work like that take a step back and think about what you've done in your life that compares.
queue

Hi, I have a question. Which track is Island of Eden supposed to be? Not a troll, just a question.
heatsink

Smoothie Brace

I have a comment on track 21. It's here.
queue

^...? am i missing something here?
heatsink

Hahaha XD There was a link there, the formatting makes it difficult to see.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums...oktakanto/smoothiebrace-lines.jpg
queue

oh. ok. also, what song is island of eden, i don't recognize it?
heatsink

The last minute of the song is "The Way Home", the ending tune. I don't know what the rest of it is.
corran

http://kwix.shackspace.com/cavestory/mixers.htm

Shows where all the arrangements came from.
Zephyre

@ tackle: personally I would've preffered the vocals to have been mixed better in Ball of Ballos, it's like you were tryin to bury them on purpose rather than having people givin out to you cause they're about suicide n shit hehe. One thing I'm guilty of, or used to be anyway, was, if I had a shit vocal line - I'm not a great vocalist by any means - I would bury them under the music and add effects etc to make em sound not so crap. Usually this turned out worse than jsut putting vocals where they should be, up front n centre. The rest of your track was solid though, I liked it.

Grass Stains was a fun track. Still not a great fan of the lead guitar tone, but meh, thats me, nice mix of the old square synth and a nice rock arrangement.

@ Fezik: I still didn't really like this track. you took some of the ideas from the WIP thread and tightened it up a bit but I still really hate that tremolo on both lead and the pickin on the left channel. If you listen to it on a set of headphones (if you didn't whist mixing you really should) you'll know what I mean. After listening to it almost twice in a row I literally feel sick - this is a strange psychoacoustic effect by the way, and something you should look into - it's like one of those things if you listen to a sound for an extended period of between 2Hz and 5Hz or something it will make you physically ill lol. One of my mates tried this before....not pleasant hehe. Anyway, enough of that. Also, can I ask you, did you improv that lead guitar in one take? I can notice some clear mistakes that have been there since like your third WIP version.

@ Facelessman: the arrangement was nice I suppose, but everythings just sounds really....washed out or something, some of the synths were strange. I had to listen to it a couple times before I could say, yeh this is a decent piece overall.

@Vaughn: Strange mix, but it works, just about, maybe the intro is just a bit "too" mellow I dunno, it doesn't transition all that well for me, also that lead "ooh aah" synth was abit overused imo. Possibly should've saved it for later in the mix to add some diversity. Extro....Dunno if I like it or not.

****Ok I'll be honest, cause it's been bugging me since yesterday :s sad to say I only really liked a couple of the tracks on this project. Nothing really grabs me and stands out in my head as being Great on this project, my own track included. There seems to be some fundamental problem in most of the tracks that just seems to put me off what would otherwise be some decent tracks, be it Quinn Foxes lo-fi percussion synths which I just can't get around, or Tackle's vocal misdemeanour :p, Rexy's.....well, I hate that Jazz Fusion kinda style: theres really nothing I can do about that, I really dislike the style-I mean no disrespect to you Rexy, just my personal tastes gettin in the way here.

Other low points I thought were Dain's excessive crowd buildup - unneccesary is the word that springs to mind - also, the extreme panning on the drumkit really put me off that track - use headphones to double check your tracks people cmon...

also @ Dain: I think a lot of parts of this song were dragged out a fair bit too much, e.g. the piano/string ensemble in the middle jsut left me waiting for it to get on with it, as a final battle theme there was way too much of a slowdown and loss of pace in the middle which I dont think the track really recovered from, especially when it hits the synth guitar solo...ugh....just, sorry man, if there's one thing I truly hate in techno/electronic music it's synthesized lead guitars Sad

@ corran: I suppose I should mention corran's tracks aswell. Escape Route uses good high quality sounds, well mixed, I'm still a little iffy on the drum solo, but like I mentioned before, I really liked the flute solo, this is the kind of quality I was hoping to see more of on the project overall.
Scrap Metal was a little underwhelming though, pretty straightforward structure, didn't do a lot for me, sounded like some cheesy Ibiza tune in parts techno track with some mellow flute laid over, not a lot done here arrangement wise and is quite true to the original.

@ Rushjet: I respect what he does in making retro-style chiptunes but I think there's a time and a place for chiptunes, and this wasn't one of them - actually that sounded a little arrogant, what I mean to say is, I dont think it fits very well in this album, especially where it is slap bang in the middle of CD2. It jsut feels out of place and I've already take it off the playlist when im listenin thru the project. that said, as a chiptune (and I love listening to old original nsf/gym/spcs - Super Turrican gets a regular spin in Winamp :p) it's a good remix, does the original justice and adds a new spin.

@tumult: same goes for the cave story theme as a chiptune - I like it, just not in this context.
Modulation seems to be like cut into two different tracks, a long drawn out 1 minute intro, and then
another minute of the same thing agai nwith a drumbeat and less ambience, so much more could have been done with this track but again it seems people were afraid to elaborate on the originals all that much. It's a decent track but nothing spectacular in my mind.

@k-wix: just gonna comment on the track for the moment. Mimiga Vibe was one of my faves, but only really cause it's one of the best on the OST itself. This is a great tune, but....I dunno, about halfway through I was wishing something would happen, then at 4:26 you sped it up and I'm almost wishing you hadn't. Mixed feelings on this one, the transition just felt awkward. Overall though this would be one of the few that I'd listen to again.

@ Prophecy: Bass way too loud :/ and I find that synth to be terrible, I hear a lot of people using the same one again n again Sad I like the lead synth playing double time though, interesting. The track jsut cuts out though, sounds to me like you just said "ah fuck it I'm 3 days late already, might aswell jsut get it over n done with...."

@ SinowBeat: all tese tracks sound like random excerpts from different adventure games. nothing really sounds like a final polished final track tbh. More like fills between tracks. You should really have filled out the tracks a lot more, most of them have potential, but meh, by the time they;re starting to go anywhere they're over Sad

@ Quinn Fox: I really don't know where to start. none of the tracks were ad, I did quite like tetrahedron, I think you did that one justice at least apart from the intro, that saw synth was drivin me mad, had to skip on, but I like the flute and that phasing one you use later on. Sadly you return to that old saw again at the end and it jsut....ugh. Too much randomness on the lead, doesn't work well for me.
Huzzah! or Ballrawg as I see you renamed it, was a low point imo. Very repetetive, poor synth choices and the voice sample...not something I would associate with Ballrog tbh, would imagine his voice being much much deeper and...kinda...retarded hehe, you know what I mean.
Taking advantage: Mixed feelings - has a better feel about it than ballrawg, but some of those backing synths are really....crap..for want of a better word, they're just grinding my left ear to shit. Some of them jsut sound insanely distorted - really horrible digital distortion like - and they do not sound good.
Combination Lock I really like though, but for all the wrong reasons hehe. It sounds almost exactly like and old track from the MMORPG Laghaim. The cheap lead xylophone style synth, the choirs, the bass synth, everything sounds exactly like it was from that original tune...just my perception of it.

edit: 5.rar - 0.00MB

http://kwix.shackspace.com/cavest...s/17.QuinnFox-CombinationLock.mp3

lol??? nostalgia heh.

Lastly Overcoats one: The intro was nice, but I still hate that mad synth tom, its all over the plce, stays there for the whole mix and ruins the whole thing for me. That thing in the background set to 10,000 rpm does my head in aswell, sorry man Sad I don't like listening to this at all, despite its nice ideas and interesting leads. Like I said at the start, there are a lot of good tracks here, almost every one of them ruined by some fundamental issue that just makes them a pain to listen to.

@ k-wix again: I found your track order a little jarring in places, especially going from my own track into Facelessman's piece(08-09). It was like, w t bloody fuck???? After I took out facelessman's track it flows pretty nicely from Island of Eden into Vaughn's track. Other places were similar...

At the end of the day though, a lot of effort(I hope) went into putting all of these tracks together, so fair play to everyone who contributed. It didn't quite live up to my expectations, but that's life. Still a few good tracks in there that I'll listen to more than once. Thanks for all the free music Wink
Zephyre

just saw those posts above hehe ^^

I'll let you listen to my track a few more times before I tell yez all the tracks that are in there - Also, k-wix made a couple of errors on that mixers page - "Charge" was not one of the tunes I used on Island of Eden
ikki5

I think someone the songs could have been done alot better. they seem to have been slack with some of them and or rush through some of them
RushJet1

Zephyre wrote:
just saw those posts above hehe ^^

I'll let you listen to my track a few more times before I tell yez all the tracks that are in there - Also, k-wix made a couple of errors on that mixers page - "Charge" was not one of the tunes I used on Island of Eden


Kris Davis (1 track)
15 Run! | 22 Quiet | 30 Charge | 35 The Way Back Home
Zephyre

RushJet1 wrote:

Kris Davis (1 track)
15 Run! | 22 Quiet | 30 Charge | 35 The Way Back Home


Kris Davis (1 track)
Intro(Original) | 30 Zombie | 15 Run! | 31 Last Battle | Bridge/Solo Original | 22 Quiet |(Fill)| 35 The Way Back Home

There. That's the basic structure of the song in order start to finish.
OverCoat

ROFL

TWO threads on /v/ now about how much CSRP sucks.

WE ARE E-FAMOUS
Dain22

OverCoat wrote:
ROFL

TWO threads on /v/ now about how much CSRP sucks.

WE ARE E-FAMOUS


Hey, if they're saying we suck, they're still spreading our name. Wink

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